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 #69 Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:41 am |
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| When I say "one must" I do not mean it 100% literally. I might say that a man whose course is blocked by a tree must walk around it. What I really mean is that any other course of action is futile. He could push on the tree until he died, he could give up, or he could try to bypass the tree by climbing over it. So what? I think it fair to say that he must walk around the tree with the implication that otherwise his behavior is foolish. |
Maybe this is unimportant, but you seem to forget that he could chop down the tree and walk atop its stump. Then he could use the rest of the tree later on in his journey for some other purpose, perhaps to cross a river or a gap or such.
| The ants do not have a hive mind either; they do not realize what they are doing; they just do it; just as we do. |
Ants are superorganisms, they work together for the colony to survive, and they have trouble living on their own. A man does not always follow a master, humans can survive on their own and isolate themselves, live out in the woods or somewhere uninhabited by other humans, and not contribute anything but carbon dioxide.
| Then what is it? Again, we clearly define natural differently. I define natural as that which exists. So anything unnatural or supernatural by definition does not exist. |
That which is natural is not all that exists. This is the point I'm trying to make. Sure, a rock is natural, a landslide is natural. Metal is natural, but when natural products are worked with and combined to form, say, a computer, that is not natural. You won't find computers growing out in the wild. If events had happened differently in the past, we wouldn't be having our conversation here, because we may not have computers, we could have something totally different. If everything is natural, then nothing is artificial.
There are natural objects, and natural beings, and a natural order. It is illogical to declare that all is natural because in doing so, you contradict yourself, as thoughts, ideas, and beliefs contradict each other. There is only one way that humanity got to be here, whatever you want to believe, but there is only one way. There are not both humans that evolved somehow and humans who were placed here by a higher being. One or the other, or a higher being who started life and caused it to evolve. But not all three. And there are more theories, they go on and on, but they can't all be true. There are parts of things that may be true, but when two beliefs contradict each other, one is false and one is true. It is natural for us to contemplate these things, but the ideas we come up with are not always natural because most of them exist only as thoughts, not as a reality.
| Who cares? When comparing groups, these exceptions do not make the trends which differentiate the groups less meaningful. Women are women. Men are men. Variation exists. |
Yes, variation exists, so not all women are "women" by society's definition, and not all men are "men." There are women who are more manly, and men who are more feminine. And there are people who don't behave as psychologists or society expect them to. We can't just classify people, they're all unique in some way.
| What does time have to do with anything? | I only mentioned it because you had already brought it up. |
I suppose I did bring it up, but in proportion to me a year is a very long time, especially this one, as the rest of my life pales in comparison to this single year. I shouldn't have really brought it up, because I don't intend to relate my whole story, at least not now.
| I am not the one calling them meaningless. I am saying that they are meaningful - they just are not what you consider ideal. |
When a relationship that is intended to be built around love has no love involved, it becomes meaningless, just as, say, a game of Bomberman becomes meaningless if there is no way to set any bombs and you just have to wait in the corner for the time to run out.
| One must first overcome one's fear and distaste for these things in order to see the beauty. |
Oh, I don't have a fear of that. I don't have a distaste. I love the Holocaust. It was a beautiful thing, and, in my opinion, quite humorous. All those Jews, the other imperfect people, all of them getting slaughtered, MAN, I wish I could have been there to see it. Hey, I wish I had got the chance to shove them in the gas chambers. No, no, even better, if I could have been there to help invent those gas chambers.
I may read that, if I get a chance.
| And it was written by a successful roman emperor. |
Success varies in the eye of the beholder. |
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